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Good? Bad? Biased? In which way?
Personally I don't know what to do with the stuff they do with politicians (need confirmation from you americans) but I enjoy their survey a lot.

Also, I find that grim reaper guy to be a blatant troll, so if possible the topic of this thread involves ignoring his posts. Please don't go off-topic. I apologize if this is not allowed.
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Astrology accurately explains many things.


Remember that Burmese leader? The one whose astrologer told him that if he surrounds himself with the number 9, he will survive to age 90. SHortly after he declared all banknotes void, with the exception of 3, 9, 45 :D Economic apocalypse.

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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
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Money is actually pretty ingenious invention and should be loved and hailed every day.
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Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13

The questions are kinda TOO obvious though...
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So what is that? Communist hippy kind? You two don't deserve USA.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
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which one are YOU from, nipple boy?
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"Happiness was born a twin."

And my mistake is much too late
But your mistake was trusting
That out of grief, a goodness comes
And love comes out of lusting.
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EC = -4.88
SOC = -4.46

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Some specifics that bothered me:

Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all. [Agree]

Art by definition always represents some kind of feeling, otherwise it's just a craft. Abstract Art contains many of the same elements as any other style: composition, forms, choice of colors.
With that in mind, for me something like Marcel Duchamp's "Fountain" should not be considered Art, but a statement / illustration. The same with Kazimir Malevich's "Black Square" - it's a statement, a title page to the exhibition. Considering it as art on it's own, is like taking one word out of the poem.
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"He created a suprematist 'grammar' based on fundamental geometric forms; in particular, the square and the circle."
The titles of Shakespeare's plays aren't works of art on their own - the art is the text of the plays, with each play being the complete picture (even famous quotes are often misunderstood, and are robbed of their depth, outside their context).

I completely disagree with the concept of the "Fountain", that anything is art if the Artist defines it as such. I see the reason for the wide acceptance of this claim as purely economical - if anything can be Art, then the only thing that matters is how well you sell it. This allowed various corruption schemes where reviews and explanations of works defined their value, which often didn't match the merit of the work itself.
It's telling that the pioneers of Abstract Art and Suprematism were all highly educated Artists with deep understanding of the basic elements of Art - composition, color, shape - and perception of weight, balance and motion. This understanding is evident in their work - which translated directly to advances in Architecture and Design. Those following in their footsteps were often less talented and less educated, and I see their works as far less interesting.

2. There are no savage and civilized peoples; there are only different cultures. [Strongly Disagree]

I think this is a central fallacy in many of the conflicts in the world - especially when societies in transition to a non-religious humanist approach are under siege by degenerates who demand a return to religious fundamentalism of the middle ages.
Performing a tribal dance in traditional garb is an example of acceptable cultural diversity - while customs resulting in the oppression of women are an example of something that is unacceptable.

There are universal humanist values and morality that should encompass the entire human race - and continue to evolve alongside it. This does not mean abandoning cultural variety, but learning and extracting the best ideas, sustaining the traditional arts, while abandoning the flaws.

Even though historically the perception of Cultural Superiority was often an excuse and justification for crimes against Humanity, it does not mean that there aren't actual cases where one Culture is superior to another. It does not mean that the inferior Culture has nothing to offer to Humanity, it just means that it must adapt and evolve faster to match the advancement, and be ready for compromise and abandoning flawed customs.

3. The prime function of schooling should be to equip the future generation to find jobs. [was really on the fence...]

There is more then one prime function - preparing a future generation to find jobs is important, but so is ensuring that this generation matches the cultural level, appreciates the arts, and contributes to the civilization's advancement.
Cultural poverty is just as dangerous as the financial.

"The questions are kinda TOO obvious though... " Agree...nothing is as black and white as the questions made it seem. The anti-corporate slant was very evident and cheapened the complexity of those questions. My answers were reactionary, relative to the current power grab of monopolies and old-money entrenchment. The concept of a Corporation must evolve, but cannot be abolished.
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Tenet wrote:
nothing is as black and white as the questions made it seem. The anti-corporate slant was very evident and cheapened the complexity of those questions.


This is really what I felt the whole way through.

Then again I feel that holding to either the left or right side on many arguments can only be done if you have the intelligence to boil a complex issue down to a yes or no question.
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"It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society."

This made me lol- I stimulate the economy and provide jobs in a trickle down effect.

Economic Left/Right: 3.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.44


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Edit: Well looky there.... the economist scores near Friedman.... a world renowned economist.

Politics are such a touchy issue.


dkp wrote:
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Astrology accurately explains many things.


Remember that Burmese leader? The one whose astrologer told him that if he surrounds himself with the number 9, he will survive to age 90. SHortly after he declared all banknotes void, with the exception of 3, 9, 45 :D Economic apocalypse.
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I believe the question was moreso meant to say: "Theoretical physicist are able to accurately explain many things. i.e. formation of the universe, creation of matter, etc."


Last edited by Chaos. on Feb 14 2012, 6:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Good? Bad? Biased? In which way?


The subtle bias in this is the labeling if the far bottom axis 'libertarian' - at least in the United States, the political position commonly called libertarianism populates the bottom right corner of that chart. As this chat is *very* popular with libertarians, it leaves a bad taste as it implies that those on the lower left agree with them substantially more than they do.

I think it's a good tool in general, however. While simplistic, it's a teaching tool that political thought is multi-axis, and not just limited to the left/right, 2 party/1 dimension politics that dominates mainstream political thought. In so far as it confronts people to think about things that way, I think it's incredibly valuable.

As a general rule, the upper left corner on that chart is the communism corner; the upper right is the province of religious and social conservatives. The lower right is firmly the land of Ayn Rand and those nostalgic for the gilded age, while the lower left is packed full of liberal ideology.


What's most interesting about these tests is where the 'political cluster line' lies on it. What I mean is that over a large sample of a population, you don't get an even mix of responses, but they tend to cluster depending on the prevailing winds in politics. In most of the west, for example, the line is upward sloping on that chart - the right wing tends to be associated with authoritarianism. However in other societies, and other times, that line will shift around - it's downward sloping in former soviet bloc countries, IIRC. How people's opinions change, and what drives that dynamic, is very interesting.


Anyway, I've taken a half dozen of these tests in my life and I'm parked firmly in that lower left corner.
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In general, I think that the "ideology in charge" will be the side occupying the higher part of the chart, because they're the ones in the position to make and enforce the rules they like. Those who disagree would naturally try to be "freer" from said rules.

Interesting that so far people have scored for three out of 4 areas, while the fourth one (blue) is the one pretty much every politician ends up in according to the website.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38
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