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Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 329

so i had few ideas after the skill update so here's one i'd like to share with.
nothing that new to be surprised of but i do believe this build can put a good effort in gvg when it's used right.

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since this is not a bar what u could randomly spam and hope it will clean/heal everything up like people are used to do with rc when taking much pressure. then u are wrong. this build actually needs to prevent the incoming dmg, so using aura of faith on someone before most dmg will land it's impossible to let it die. when preventing this ur heal monk will heal target anyway + u probably will remove deep-wound with dismiss which already gives u good amount of heals. if target will be protted right time there is no need to infuse.

also, shield of absorption + shielding hands will make a good combo since it will reduce quite good amount of dmg in between. if target was already protted by one of then + guardian it won't even need more than aura of faith/or woh imo. ofc u wont prevent all the dmg but using it right time in right amount it will make huge difference than just letting infuse/spirit bond/aegis (all 10energy) + rof + rc the target as most monks do right now.

since this build has enchantments only then dismiss condition is a perfect solution for it. no matter what enchantment u use dismiss will already give enough heal (patient spirit 114 health). there is absolutely no need to over heal or prot. in current meta with 2 warriors, a ranger and 2 mesmers it's a good solution imo. since there aren't that many conditions around (deep-wound on spike, poison, weakness sometimes, cripple in some situation) u don't need to bring rc along (yes rc has amazing heal power ofc). but u also have the heal monk who can remove the conditions. when ur midline/frontline is getting spiked by 2 warriors and 2 mesmers (e-surge, overload, mind wrack, e burn etc) u can just put aura of faith before it's getting targeted and it will be fine since it reduces almost 50% of the dmg. ofc it won't help if monks use it too late. that will make this build fail and u will probably think "omg, this sucks, i'll use rc again. "

when it might come to split and send back ur prot monk then it's a perfect solution since u can also self target. it wont only remove the conditions but also heals u up so i don't want to believe ur prot can die in base that easily. better than rof spamming to get atleast some kind of a heal from divine favor, eh ?!

so i made a little example (yes i know my photoshop skills are amazing) of showing how those 2 skills can be amazing together. not to mention aura of faith takes 5energy only and recharging after 8 seconds. so basically, u'll be reducing dmg by 47% and getting healed over 200+ health after every 8 seconds by using aura of faith + dismiss. and that is done by your prot monk only.

this was just an idea of something different. please comment and post what u think. also the criticism is very welcome. every build has it's own weakness so thats why i posted it to know ur opinion.

thanks for reading this wall of text. i'm already falling asleep typing all of it. bye Very Happy

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 329

it was just an idea what people could run than just rc. if u don't have any comments about the build then don't post, please.

as i mentioned before, this build is for preventing dmg. exactly what good prot monks should do. compared to aegis(10e 30s recharge, spirit bond (10e 5s recharge), infuse (10e + half lost health) then aura of faith seems pretty good IF you prevent the dmg seeing almost all prot monks use spirit bond/aegis then when most dmg has already landed which makes it completelly useless.

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 310 Location: Paris, France

As long as you have veil + Hex breaker (On both monk) it should be fine. Explaining : Mind Wrack has a 7 sec recharge, if you hold veil & hex breaker, the 1st mind wrack will break your hex breaker, but you still have veil, 7 sec after he'll use mind wrack again, this time you have veil so you can remove it, 7 sec later (With the cast time on veil) your hex breaker should be back. Yes of course you'll have it sometimes but not that much.

This build with hex breaker looks good to me

Joined: 23 Sep 2008 Posts: 172

hex breaker on a monk is a bullshit.

here is some evidence:
1. you are missing a lot of armor - shield baby

2. you are very sensitive to melee dmg (point 1 & no stance obviosuly), as long as you dot bring some kind of ward of melee or any other meleehater character, you cant run hex breaker

3. no balanced stance on prot equals rape from a hammer war, if there is one. and generally, ppl are likely to bring hammer war. the reason is quite obvious. it doesnt allow you to bring hex breakers.

to sum it up: it is better to be mo/w for sure. soa is quite helpful, so is aegis. im not sure about sh.

ive gotta say (might be wrong, just my observations) that preveil on healer is a must. i have observed a bunch of prots who were spamming useless rofs, uardians and no preveil. that was a quick wipe! in this meta you just have to aegis the upcoming spike (burn energy on the mesmers, they just push the keys on keyboard like a fckin bots) and AoS+guardian the shit out. using rof is the biggest joke you can do in this meta.

your build might be good only if you cover aura of faith with a sh. otherwise shatter will pwn your ass Smile

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 329

good point lisek. also, people can run some other skill instead of shielding hands. what ever the prot monk prefers to run imo. personally, i would still like to run mo/w cause of the high armor which helps u alot in many different situations. more than hex breaker.

i don't think shatter will pwn my ass since aura of faith lasts 3 seconds only (bit more with prot ench. staff) so i doubt they will wait for it since faith has 8 second recharge and u can use it quite often and shatter enchantment. has 20s recharge, including 15energy which is pretty high.

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1280 Location: Internet Rage

You need to not look at the current meta only through the eyes of the old meta. Hexbreaker monks are not nearly as solo-hearty as mo/w, especially against physical damage. However there have been years and years of monks with caster subjobs. What was different was that during these years monks had more reliance upon their team to shut down and prevent incoming damage. After this long meta of mo/w's everyone is just so stuck in the mindset of 'hurf durf, monks must do everything on their own.'

Mo/me is perfectly valid, your team is just going to have to compensate elsewhere with more physical defense.

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 544

You definitely can't run hexbreaker on the prot monk (I personally wouldn't even run it on heal monk either. The shield spec and stances still work wonders for warriors jizzing all over your monks in this new meta.

The veil on a heal monk seems ok, but I wouldn't drop cure hex for it.

Joined: 21 May 2008 Posts: 222

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 1617

That is a pretty fucking amazing paint job.

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 1280 Location: Internet Rage

Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 211

Hey Jen,
Nice post, I like the effort you put in and the attempt at bringing some diversity to the Prot monk bar. I don't like the idea of replying to a wall of text with a wall of text so I’ll see what I can do about cutting this post down.

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 329

Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 119

Hexbreaker seems kind of suboptimal given that Wastrel's Worry is not far behind Overload if at all in terms of Mind Wrack abuse. I'm all for creative solutions, but we should probably avoid the ones that are countered by swapping in synergistic skills on the opposing team.

Joined: 24 Apr 2010 Posts: 64

I'm a AoF fan and have been waiting for someone to realize just how amazing the skill is. So bravo to you. Anyway, I find the bar works great as Mo/A, might wanna check that out.

Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 23

dropping dismiss is more 8v8 focused while dismiss is more split orientated, having mend condition is better vs some lone condition spam (like removing a random poison), hence it was taken a lot. Downside is shit like crip shot, crip slash is more effective when used against your team, even with a draw on your team.

i wouldn't take off rof personally, it is awesome to make mind wrack trigger besides all the reasons you should already take the skill, AoF cannot replace the functionality of RoF, it replaces SH or SoA.

ps: spirit bond + aof on 1 target is epic heals, tho the need of sb on an aof bar isn't required, if you are going to catch spikes at 10% with sb it will do less then a random rof would have done and a well catched spike AoF will be just as good, if not better.